Battleships. 1 update. You could put tube 3s on sub 1s but that's sub-optimal. . Apr 10, 2019 @ 2:03pm. Archived post. Naval technology. In real life destroyer/cruiser fired torpedoes were rarely used in WWII because of their short range but in game they act more like post war ship-to-ship missiles. Last game I played my task force was 4 CV, 4 BC, 4 CA, 8 CL, and 32 Destroyers. Jump to latest Follow Reply. I would add more AA to your battlecruisers (swapping out the floatplane). I like putting recon planes on cruiser submarines as well. CorpseFool • 4 yr. Once you have 1944 just use the modules it unlocks on a 1940 Hull because 1944 subs are too expensive. Light Cruiser surface attack could be increase to be the same as the Heavy Cruiser, it would still be pretty poor because of its low piercing value but it would. To fend off subs, you need lots of fast destroyers with sonar and depth charges. One per zone that you want to secure. I wanted to know some good task forces and sizes, especially for submarines < > Showing 1-4 of 4 comments . The only benefit is an extra torpedo tube. Surface Raiders have higher kill rates because they have higher surface detection to find convoys. The navy is one of the most elusive and incomprehensible aspects of HOI4 to players new and old alike, for a variety of reasons. 2. Except that ships don’t run out of fuel in HOI4. Hull Types: Battleship Hull: 2. . For meta spaming light Cruiser batteries with level 1 or 2 armour (3 and 4 have chromium don't bother with them) add radar and better fire control (electronics tab of resurch) add some AA in the AA spot and if you have dual fire secondaries add those to the secondary spot. manpower [amount] – Adds a specified amount of manpower to your reserves. 4x. To: ATLANTIC FLEET. Captured documents had previously provided a complete list of official Navy announcements of new construction and conversions (TATSU) from 5 February 1941 to 10 May 1944. I have NEVER cheated in HOI4 and . Only certain nations even get access to cruiser subs, they are one of the 'hidden' techs. Those task forces have 10 Destroyers (DD) (5 focused on detection of enemy ships [i. Battleships can easily outrun submarines when retreating. If the enemy is utilizing naval bombers, it would be prudent to include anti-air destroyers or light cruisers. Those are the extra fuel tanks and the float planes. ago. One role of Capital Ships is to act as a health pool and increased armor increases that capacity. Destroyers are best at hunting submarines followed by light cruisers due to their high sub detection ability and use of depth charges. these are all cheats. Search: Hoi4 Cruiser Submarine. Cruiser Submarines To attack the sea lanes of enemies that lie outside the Mediterranean, we need long-range submarines that can roam the oceans. Japan starts with a pretty large amount of old destroyers and submarines (early hulls). Reserve fleet (the starting ships-subs) SH battleships takes care of other battleships and cruisers while a larger amount of cruisers is a very good defense against carriers. Put the 24 infantry units under Fedor Von Back and put the tanks and motorized units with Rommel. A 1940 cruiser hull is better than the torpedo cruiser hull because it has the same number of slots but can mount more guns (which in most cases, is way more important than stacking torps on a singe hull). In general, you’ll need at least 5 anti-submarine destroyers in a region, since submarines are the biggest threat to convoys. Considering how fast you can replace them, cost/performance leans. SS Submarine – cheap, slow, limited loadout options; SS Cruiser Submarine – cheap, unique to a few countries, slow, special loadout options. Never miss a thing. They all run to the back of the boat to tilt the bow up, then fire a torpedo. Multirole boats (aircraft hangars + minelayers + snorchels) I got these things as romania by licence producing my own variant on a. The Italian cruiser Partenope in 1895. It seems like spamming destroyers and submarines is the new meta, and since you get get some ridiculous 60-knot destroyer configurations with newer hulls I’m not sure it makes much sense to refit any of the older ones. Available for: Transport plane Wings with this mission provide supply to assigned ground troops if land-based supply is insufficient. Avrora, IPA: [ɐˈvrorə]) is a Russian protected cruiser, currently preserved as a museum ship in Saint Petersburg. and I have the 1940 submarine and destroyer hulls. The way naval hit probabilities work in hoi4, it's a reasonable concept. The logic is pretty much the same as the cruiser above. Naval support technology. Edit edit. Screening efficiency [edit. 531 votes, 35 comments. Greetings, I am a game designer new to the HoI4 team. This guide is if you want to recreate the historical US navy - or are like me and never know what to build - in HoI4. First, cruiser armor sucks. Give your sub snorkel, best (and maximum amount of) torpedos and best engine. Good light cruisers are excellent uses of. It's the meta for a reason. Hull Types:Battleship Hull: 2. Scout planes don't even boost recon. Because of that, its fleets take ages to kill a pack of sub3, because they start to be really hard to hit and kill since they can mount the snorkels. For example: 'ae 100 infantry_equipment_1'. Mounting this module on Light Ships and Cruisers will allow them to attack enemy Submarines. Went into the list and selected it and went into the designer and added all the modules I wanted onto the ship. The naval meta for a surface engagement starts with a mix of roach DD and light-attack spam heavy cruisers, and branches out to include torpedo destroyers and heavy attack heavy cruisers. Naval warfare. r/hoi4. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Hearts of Iron IV by… History. At 4,000 tons (3,600 tonnes) displacement submerged, Surcouf was the largest submarine in the world at the start of World War II. battleships, was limited by the Second London Naval Treaty. 2 Caio Duilio Class battleships that are about 20% finished. If you don't have fast CLs, then use pure destroyers. The main tree is mostly for CVs. The submarine tree is a standard submarine tree for convoy raiding, not very powerful. Ships can influence land combat by. They are also cheaper than a cruiser sub. This mod adds Cruiser Submarine Surcouf to the Game. 6Politics. 4xCruiser Hull: 2. These are Carrier, Battleship, Cruisers, Destroyer, and Submarine, respectively. They can have 30-40 dockyards building submarines at the end of 1940. It's allowed me to destroy significant parts of any enemy navy with comparitively minor effort. -Torpedo attack is extremely affected by the speed stat, so fast destroyers have a very low chance of getting hit. The tool that will allow for you to create your own 3D models to use in. The London Naval Treaty, officially the Treaty for the Limitation and Reduction of Naval Armament, was an agreement between the United Kingdom, Japan, France, Italy, and the United States that was signed on 22 April 1930. . "Hybrid": This is what I've been trying lately. Those are the extra fuel tanks and the float planes. It is also a great choice for countries that don’t have the industry to afford a large navy, since submarines are cheap to produce. How to load and play workshop maps. By 1940 tech level, the DEs cost 1150 and the DDs cost 1900. It enhances Search & Destroy for capital ships, submarine detection for screening ships, and bonuses. Credit: Paradox Interactive. Greetings, I am a game designer new to the HoI4 team. I've spendt 100+ hours in Blender for this so make sure you. Pictured is the Spanish Santa Ana, a very. 12. After playing around with different scenarios in HOI4 I realised that there are what appear to be something wrong with the alternate paths for Greece. Report any errors or omissions promptly. Reason the submarine have the advantage. This guide will explain naval mechanics and basic strategy from the viewpoint of a casual multiplayer setting. TAC are especially good in big zones, because of their range. AA, cruiser guns, and then for the modular part I do 1 scout plane, 1 torpedo(to sink capital ships after the. If you arrange your spotters in task forces, put at least two cruisers per task force and set them to auto refill. The subs are also backed up by NAVs and heavy fighters operating from Manila. This thread is archived. New Player Tutorials. . It can't mount a second main battery like the CLC can, but it can mount the rest of the variety of equipment. Minelaying. Light cruiser spam. Never miss a thing. Not at a flat 90 for not beating the value. They are practically the same as the 1940s Sub in terms of slots, but can add reconnaissance or fuel tanks instead of extra Torpedo Tubes. Splitting that strike force in two would enable you to engage in two fights at once, but it renders you vulnerable to having one TF ganged up upon. If you have 5 dockyards, you can put 5 production lines with 1 dockyard each, activate ic and you get 5 ships every day. Just using the best templates won’t be enough to win every battle. Along with getting a research speed boost and some dockyards, the focus gives Germany access to a “Cruiser Submarine. And you have lots of ships. The 1940 and 1944 submarine templates have the exact same and better range as the Cruiser submarines and better overall stats as well. These added flight decks can be applied to any Tier 1 Heavy/Super Heavy, Tier 2 Cruiser, and Tier 3 Submarine hull or up. The extra armaments they receive are Fuel Tanks adding range, and Float Planes for increased scouting and a module slot for either a Snorkel or Radar. Large Sandbags. Adding/Changing Modules When adding stuffs to an empty slot or changing between very different modules (e. Go to hoi4 r/hoi4 • by. ’. These subs will destroy all the enemy escort groups. The CLs should be well-rounded with radar and even more than one catapult. In summary, FiB is a well-rounded doctrine that excels in protecting convoys and countering submarines while providing hefty bonuses to your fleet in general, especially your Capital Ships with the Capital Attack and AA. Submarines- Use in packs of 10, 20, or 40 for convoy raiding missions. much everything, so you need light cruisers to do the heavy lifting. - The submarines spam is amazing for singleplayer is low effort, effective and pretty set and forget. cruiser, submarine, battleship Ⅰ 7 slots Ⅱ 10 slots Ⅲ 12 slots Ⅳ 14 slots ・carrier Ⅰ 3 slots Ⅱ 7 slots Ⅲ 11 slots Ⅳ 14 slots ・SHbattleship. The new ships and modules can all be unlocked through research in the naval. They are more expensive, slower, more visible, and less reliable, but I find its always nice to have one or two around for that spotting. I personally divide my subs into 5 groups and set each group a target strength of 20 subs. The logic is pretty much the same as the cruiser above. The roach destroyers spread hits around and serve as tanks in that sense. #hoi4 #news #HYPEA closer look at the new Dev Diary with a look at some changes to the Naval aspect of the game! A NEW DLC is in the works!Dev Diary: -Submarines can be forced to reveal themselves by the enemy's submarine detection stat. You talking about hoi4 because cas is complete garbage when you add spaa. CorpseFool • 4 yr. The Heavy Cruiser in Hearts of Iron 4 has the same hull as the Light Cruiser, but has access to heavier weaponry, making it more classified to become a capital ship instead of a screen ship. Subject: United States Atlantic Fleet Organization, Third Quarter, Fiscal Year, 1942. 9. With no armor and max speed, your ships are hard to hit, reducing losses (cruiser armor sucks anyway). The new cruiser submarine I (Surcouf) as well as the cruiser submarine II now can support. Torpedoes are OP right now. During the intro part of the video (up until around 40 seconds into the video. Used for balance. Cruisers. Cruiser submarines : r/hoi4 by V6v77 Cruiser submarines Hello all Dont suppose anyone has seen the naval trees in enough detail to know if cruiser subs exist in the game. NAV can deal with anything really, if used properly. HOI4 console commands list. 3xDestroyer Hull: 1xSubmarine Hull: 0. 0. While investigating facts about Submarines Cruisers and Hoi4 Cruiser Submarines, I found out little known, but curios details like:. Enclosure: (A) United States Atlantic Fleet Organization. The light guns shot at the screens first - most of the destroyers were sunk by light guns. The destroyer patrols that kill subs get absolutely manhandled by Cruisers. The two german minelayers indirectly killed a good number of ships in my last run. . The Ai doesn't anti-sub very well. Long explanation : 3 game mechanics will play together to allow you to do better naval invasions : 1st : Naval invasion plans will prepare even though there are no divisions assigned to them but won't show it in the UI. BETA SGp - Save Game Parser - extracts statistics from SGc. Conclusion: CVs are underpowered in. I generally use radar cuz I use subs for spotting. The individual constituents and thus the numbering plan of Lidl Connect mobile numbers in Germany are specified below. or more specificly all the ways to counter submarines in hearts of iron 4 man the guns. Also add monitors!! (Destroyers with a heavy battery)Got back into HOI4 recently and this time around i'm really invested in learning and pushing for my first world conquest/win. If you only have one ship there and it gets sunk the whole task force is gone and you might not even notice it. Current HOI4 Version Supported: Barbarossa v1. In 1989, the Soviet Union traded PepsiCo seventeen. Ok so I'm co-oping as Germany. Destroyer Hull: 1x. The only 1936 naval tech that Italy possesses is the Caio Duilio battleship, though it does possess upgraded versions of the 1922 heavy cruiser, light cruiser, destroyer, and submarine. All other Nations had planes for them, but never build one as far as I know. Exactly, the meta may exist but spamming supercarriers is more fun. The basic categories of ships remain unchanged compared to vanilla:. The Regia Marina was established on 17 March 1861 following the proclamation of the formation of the Kingdom of Italy. I like Trade Interdiction for the ability to do a lot of damage with sub packs and the ability of the small cruiser-led fleet to usually escape alive from hazardous situations. They are practically the same as the 1940s Sub in terms of slots, but can add reconnaissance or fuel tanks instead of extra Torpedo Tubes. RELEASED SGc - Save Game Converter - converts save games to XML format for easy viewing in freeware XML viewers. Cruiser Submarine - A crappier 1940 Sub. French submarine Surcouf. Minor: Submarine is the safe choice, Light Cruiser with lots of Light attack might work. Fleet in being has one use. Cruiser Submarines vs Sub3 vs Sub4. Germany starts with some technological advantages in naval design, including 1936 designs for light cruisers, destroyers and submarines, and in 1936 has eight Type IIA U-boats and four Type 1934-class destroyers under construction, as well as the famous Admiral Graf Spee "pocket battleship" (heavy cruiser) about to leave the drydock. Each mission has a corresponding hotkey . Go to hoi4 r/hoi4. I was speedrunning in observe mode the n-th game of a mod I am working on, when I tried to find as much as possible about cruiser submarines. submarines can only really kill capital ships well but thats if theres a good amount of submarines and only a few capitalships (No screens or else subs will get massacred, even in a doomstack) but going down the submarine doctrine tree can make the subs really good at massacring convoys. Along with an event for ether France to give them back their Medium Submarine Gun and Cruiser Submarine. Example Convoy Escort Task Force: 5 Anti-Sub Destroyers; 1 Anti-Air Light Cruiser or DestroyerCurrent HOI4 Version Supported: Barbarossa v1. I would say subs are the most OP. 9 in) guns, patrolled areas distant from their North Sea bases to sink Allied merchant shipping as part of an effort to end World War I by starving the United Kingdom of Great. The extra fuel tanks give another 1000km range which is nice, but rarely necessary when you. I try to keep the speed at around 8 km/h. Since they are really slow. r/hoi4. The lone raider will get caught and sunk. r/hoi4. It is rich in both natural and human resources and has decent technology. This is the well-rounded general purpose set of naval doctrines that most substantial navies used. Oooo. Despite the nerf of not being able to fit a light battery on a heavy cruiser, they are still the meta. usage for battlecruisers because the lone raider approach didn't work in real life for the Germans nor will it work in HoI4. No, torpedoes are still useless, and dumb. Submarines are broken now for mechanical and statistical reasons. Playing as Canada and trying to serve their historical escort role. That’s all i really use them for but I’d be curious if anyone else has figured out a different use. They will only target capitals when set to Medium risk or higher. HoI4's naval combat system makes me legitimately. Any advantages for CS ? : r/hoi4. From what I know subs are fantastic if used in small "wolfpacks" of 3-5 subs per fleet. 3 command power while mission is active. The Cruiser Submarines are subs that can be used by Japanese and French players from the start of the game or by unlocking it via the German Focus Tree or American Focus Tree. HOI4 /pre-- WW1 Global grand strategy game: Pride of Nations. [Edit:] if you expect them to detect and engage subs, they need some ASW too. 2*(1+12. But ships to use would be destroyers, and maybe 1-2 LC if you can spare them (eg if you are england/usa/japan). Base Strike is also good too. CL shouldn't practically exist, and CA are too busy trying to boat (heh) more gun attacks to have the space to worry about mounting torpedoes. I believe something was mentioned about them being added with the ship designer in Man the Guns. Especially given, as you mentioned, the historical production level of 3 submarines for a total airfleet of 9 M6A1 Seirans, themselves subpar aircraft with a max payload of 1 Type 91 torpedo or 2x 250lb bombs. They fixed that particular tech to have an icon and a. 370K subscribers in the hoi4 community. Also the submarine you cited could carrier a whopping total of 3 planes, which wouldn't make much of a difference. WAFFEL_E-100. You should get subs 3s over sub 1s because sub 3s have a slot for radar while keeping 3 torpedo. It can’t really stop battleship guns, it’s expensive to build and takes a long time, and it slows the ship down (making it more vulnerable to heavy guns and torpedoes). 4. 2) Update Forts with new workshop content. 3x. Declare war, then land the. Alpha2518. dasaard200 Dec 24, 2016 @ 12:42am. g. Also, sorry for the late post today. IIRC, torpedoes are used 25% of the time, while naval guns are used 75% of the time. A light carrier is just a carrier with fewer hangar modules (and thus considerably cheaper), an anti-aircraft cruiser is just a regular cruiser that mounts dual-purpose main guns (which perform somewhat poorly. For just 170 cost, that is a steal on a BB. The doctrine should be the fleet in being one, since the other two are focused on subs and. However, later radars give a bonus to light and heavy attack. endfire79. As Japan, at war with the Axis, I had submarines and surface raiders stationed in the North Sea, North Atlantic, Mediterranean, and the West African Coast. - Their main weaknesses is naval bombers but the AI doesn't use it properly. I find the cruiser submarine available via "U-boat effort" focus to be quite good at enforcing a blockade sufficiently far from Britain. Sie sind perfekt für Überraschungsangriffe auf Konvois ohne Geleitschutz und auf Großkampfschiffe geeignet. The development of the torpedo gave rise to the Jeune École doctrine, which held that small warships armed with. In hoi4, naval trade is more expensive, because you need convoys, while for land you need nothing. Each minister can only fulfill certain roles, and has a trait that indicates his. Designed a 1936 destroyer: engine 2, x2 depth charge thrower, x1 light battery 1 and sonar 2… with no torpedoes, no fire control, and no AA. e. These added flight decks can be applied to any Tier 1 Heavy/Super Heavy, Tier 2 Cruiser, and Tier 3 Submarine hull or up. Adds numerous amount of generic and country specific ship models to the game. These added flight decks can be applied to any Tier 1 Heavy/Super Heavy, Tier 2 Cruiser, and Tier 3 Submarine hull or up. Also, sorry for the late post today. Then justify the US immediately. My general thought was that upgrading them rather than building new would be better, especially because as non-aligned, I haven’t gotten involved in. A torpedo cruiser is a type of warship that is armed primarily with torpedoes. Actually, the 1944 submarine has 500KM more range than the Cruiser template even after you add two Fuel Tanks to the Cruiser submarine. Establishment of ship naming conventions 1905. pp [political power amount] – Add a specified amount of political power to your pool. In HOI4, light cruisers destroy everything on the water, and aircraft destroy everything period (land, water, whatever). BETA SGp - Save Game Parser - extracts statistics from SGc. Cruiser level armour only works against light attack, which as long as there is 1 screen between your heavy cruiser and the enemy, they are not going to get shot by. This hull really sucks. They are so good some games literally ban them because they are so. Heavy tanks speed don't get slowed much by infantry and the infantry give lots of org and HP to the division. the reason you build light cruisers as any naval power (uk. It was decided on 1 August 1905. Can submarines transfer troops tho might just go full submarine in my game 😭. You can add some AA ships as well. India Fleet. a 1936 light cruiser with 15 surface visibility and a speed of 32. Cruiser Submarines vs Sub3 vs Sub4. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Hearts of Iron IV by…Heavy cruisers are the undisputed kings of light attack, mainly because they can mount light cruiser batteries in all their slots (BBs and BCs need to mount either heavy batteries or secondaries, which are far worse). You need to keep some destroyer and light cruiser to defend your fleet, but create a seperate flottilla with only destroyer and light cruiser. 6. The main purpose of this mod is an expansion of the available models, equipment, and units for naval, air, and land forces while otherwise staying true to vanilla HOI4. - Build a lot of cheap level 1 submarines. instant construction ( ic in the console) makes it so on every new day, every production line builds 1 vessel. Specialized patrol fleets can massively increase the effectiveness of wolf packs. You have plenty of torps and depth charges, but you’ll need more screening capacity (maybe 50 more hulls) if you make the cruiser changes. and this is actually a good sub since you can make hundreds of them. The higher it is, the higher the chance a submarine will get revealed. In contrast, no armor is free and keeps the ship faster, which helps it avoid heavy guns and torpedoes. In your opinion, there are some new fleet meta and design meta?If air isn't an issue then it's between all main guns and dual torpedoes. Its naval doctrine is fully unlocked, and they were comm. Select multiple ships, refit and it lets you pick any available options. Placate the Japanese focus to get the Assume the Naval Burden focus. Would give you a foothold to launch an invasion from. Sub detection: 1. - Unlocked fuel tank module for French cruiser submarines ##### # Bugfix ##### - Only display the ship refitting speed and cost modifiers when MtG is active. But for navy, having 8 or so ASW destroyers (max radar/sonar, depth charges, engine) is usually enough for an ASW squadron. Incredibly cheap, even compared to a low-tier recon cruiser, and far better spotting per IC. It’s just extremely effective, and safe. Ships of the line (of battle) were the capital ships of the era of sail. Latest HOI4 province summary spreadsheet. Battlecruisers are slightly weaker than a battleship, but make up for it with increased speed. Early Destroyers and Submarines takes about 10 days to upgrade the engines to tier 2, here I guess this is the exception. Base Strike is the best choice if you want to go for carriers, it makes them much much better, and still the best choice if you plan on using mostly land based naval bombers instead of doing any actual naval combat. 135842380 - Fix for wrong event being fired from SAF decision. 8x. Only difference is that you're using a Heavy gun now meaning the ship now faces a penalty in. Filling cruiser with "proper" heavy guns (not just a single to classify it as a capital) - is a counter to "light attack heavy cruiser" spam, actually. S. r/hoi4. It mostly consists of flat, arable land in the far south,. At best, you crush each TF alone, and send the worst-damaged ships to repair between fights. I will make a squadron like that: 20 cruisers submarines with 2 reco. Cruisers, other than coastal defense, are a bit better with early ones having a range of 2500 and 1936 3000. Battleships. Wiki Beginner Guide. So i use the heavy gun, superstructure, sloped armor, welded armor etc. You can split those old ships if your navy cannot reach the farthest sea areas. This gives them the option of building an excellent scout submarine. Once Germany has taken france they can start producing dockyards at a decent rate. Along with an event for ether France to give them back their Medium Submarine Gun and Cruiser Submarine techs if they stop strictly following the London Naval Treaty. Basically they could sneak along and engage any target of opportunity. Justify on Mexico right from start, meanwhile build around a dozen long range cruiser submarines. Service manpower: 325. Soviet Union. Japanese Naval Shipbuilding. Latest HOI4 resource history spreadsheet (HOI4v 1. Heavy cruisers also have the speed which heavier ships lack, making them far better and finding and killing enemy ships. The mod includes a wide range of ship types, including minelayers, escort destroyers, light carriers, and cruiser submarines. It superseded the Imperial German Navy of the German Empire (1871–1918) and the inter-war Reichsmarine (1919–1935) of the Weimar Republic. Since submarines are the go-to raiding ship, the best ship is the cheapest ship which can make a sub flee. I've added some songs, around 10, changed leader portraits, and flags. plenty of real life submarines had anti-air guns, hell the Germans even went crazy and tried to make dedicated anti-air ‘U-flak’ boats which traded torpedo capacity for more anti-air guns on the deck with the submarine U-441 managing to shoot down 3 aircraft, out of a grand total of 6 aircraft ever shot down by the dedicated U-flak boats that were discontinued. To add modified equipment: Create a equipment variant. Their survivability is in their speed. CL of each generation with 2 light cruiser batteries and 2 secondary gun emplacements WILL have sufficient piercing to pierce the armour of the previous Tier of enemy CL. Since this seems like a human. just make each unit a squadron or flotilla, and have them have a decent torpedo attack but really short range and be really vulnerable to rapid-fire guns. I rushed 1944 cruiser tech, strong radar, medium III guns, dual secondaries, and good AA. a other light cruisers + destroyers and allow the capitals, heavy cruisers & carriers to be destroyed by anything that breathes on them. Heavy cruisers are the best ship in the game. I won the battle, so I still believe that sub warfare as main battle fleet strategy is still viable. 4. 1. 9 Avalanche). 4) In multiplayer, if a host wan. You need to keep some destroyer and light cruiser to defend your fleet, but create a seperate flottilla with only destroyer and light cruiser. Actually, the 1944 submarine has 500KM more range than the Cruiser template even after you add two Fuel Tanks to the Cruiser submarine. Also, to improve my spotting ability I'm testing the cruiser submarines. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Hearts of Iron IV by Paradox Development Studio. Thus why ya really don't overthink on its uses and just put them to work if you feel like it.